photog38:

You guys are missing my point. My point is that Corel default workspace is the same as it has been since at least version 6.

I think Corel should add a few well thought out workspaces that you could choose between. It could show off Draw's power of customization in a great way without Corel having to spend a penny on development aside from the time putting these workspaces together.

photog38:

You guys are missing my point. My point is that Corel default workspace is the same as it has been since at least version 6.

It's the same since version 1.0, and for most users is one of the greatest advantages. Of course, for programmers it's a problem and a limitation, but if there're too changes in the interface, some people perhaps have problems. Also Photoshop interface has not almost changes since many versions, and Adobe users are happy.

I have been very demanding, and I have been one of the instigators of the change of interface in the present version, but most users don't want too much changes

photog38:

if you are a new brand new user, and want to rotate an object 90 degrees

I never use Transformation docker, except if I need a very special value. I use the double-click on figure and rotate with Ctrl key, or the Propierty bar for exact input. Fast and easy. I use CorelDRAW since version 1.0, and I don't want more buttons... I only need speed and performance.

Hi Photog,

The responses to your post - I think people are trying to give you suggestions on faster ways to rotate, but I think you are looking at this from a new user perspective. I gather that you already know the shortcuts such as control rotating etc.

If I'm right, I see what you mean. I suppose that the first "hard" rotation a new user would enter is in the degree slot on the property bar. Sometimes people don't realize the property bar is context sensitive and it changes... ;-)

Perhaps an EZ workspace mode for new users with buttons for -90, 90, 180 degrees would be helpful to get them off and running. Or a video tutorial on basic, basic things in Draw. That's the best route IMO...

photog38:

You guys are missing my point. My point is that Corel default workspace is the same as it has been since at least version 6. I have customers who get Corel and don't have clue of how to use it and having more intuitive buttons in the default workspace that new users would like and give access to certain features faster.

 

Seriously, do any of us use the default workspace without modifying it? I know the controls to the features that I like and use often, so move them to where I need them to be..... thats the beauty of the CorelDraw customisable workspace.Im sure that we all use CorelDraw for different tasks, and depending on the type of work im doing, my needs change too. So how is Corel supposed to provide a program that is right for everyone out of the box?

My best advice is to figure out what you are likely to be using Corel for, what functions you need to access, how you want to access them and spend a morning setting up your workspace.

Andy

There are several defaults in the standard installation that are completely wrong and confuse new users.

1. The powerclip tool automatically centers items. This is ever so wrong, unituitive, idiotic even.
2. "Treat all objects as filled" for the Pick tool is also really stupid. The interface is extremely hostile to deal with with this setting.
3. There should be an option for users installing on a computer with a prior version to automatically import customization to the new version

But none of this is going to make me give up CorelDraw. I just grumble with each new version I install and fix these things, and manually add all of my settings, import my custom pallettes back into the new version and I'm happy again.

geewhizbang:

There are several defaults in the standard installation that are completely wrong and confuse new users.

1. The powerclip tool automatically centers items. This is ever so wrong, unituitive, idiotic even.
2. "Treat all objects as filled" for the Pick tool is also really stupid. The interface is extremely hostile to deal with with this setting.
3. There should be an option for users installing on a computer with a prior version to automatically import customization to the new version

 

I agree, we need better defaults. Also, 25% of memory is ridiculous. And I allwas assign keyboard shortcuts for the must used commands (at least: Align, Copy propieties of... and place inside container)

1.. The powerclip tool automatically centers items. This is ever so wrong,
unituitive, idiotic even.
The beta testers complain about this every time.

"Treat all objects as filled" for the Pick tool is also really stupid.
The interface is extremely hostile to deal with with this setting.

This is another setting that many of us complained about.

The good news is that it is very easy to fix both of these bad defaults. The
bad news is that there are many users who don't know they exist and curse
the program because they don't know how easy it is to fix them.
1.. There should be an option for users installing on a computer with a
prior version to automatically import customization to the new version
This was an option in 12 and X3 and created MAJOR stability problems due to
corrupted workspaces.


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 I have to agree with you Foster, I am very comfortable with both CorelDRAW and Adobe Illustrator, i am now using a trial of X4 and i have X3 at home and work and i also use CS3 and i must say that with the exception of a few tools that i really like in illustrator, CD blows away the Illustrator. The learning curve for illustrator is much longer and the program is not nearly as intuitive, i've had to learn both because of the places that i've worked and work  but i choose CD everytime i have a choice. I do agree with the original comment in one way, i think corel could improve many of its tools especially the mesh tool and i also think that this latest upgrade, though it looks nice and they've fixed some things offers little reason to the seasoned user to upgrade. I dont' think its worth the $199 upgrade price in my opinion but is still the best vector editing tool on the market by far. Another worthy mention is that the entire Corel Graphics Suite costs $429 while only illustrator costs $599 and if you want a bitmap editing software be prepared to pay an additonal $649 or $999 depending on which edition you choose. Still i'd love to see Corel DRAW and PhotoPaint receive some much needed small improvements and some tools that increase productivity. Maybe all the pros should start a new thread where we can all mention the things we'd like to see added to the suite and make Corel's research easier.

Peace,
Paul

You'd be surprised... I consult to several print shops and many people;

1. don't know how to modify

2. even if you showed them, are still scared to modify, thinking they'll "wreck something".

However, the true power of Draw reveals itself through customization. It's a paradise to work in a convenient and optimized environment.

Jeff 

Frootloop:

Seriously, do any of us use the default workspace without modifying it?

 

Jeff Harrison:

However, the true power of Draw reveals itself through customization.

True, and that's why Corel needs to advertise the customization ability much more. And add a tutorial about it telling people to use the F8 reset if they get lost. The workspace tutorial in PP does not even mention customization and the beauty of it. Then again, I advocate that Corel work some nice workspaces out to select between so that users can see and imagine what can be done. I think that would lift the whole user base a bit.

Jeff Harrison:

You'd be surprised...

 

Jeff you've hit the nail on the head.  people say it harder just because they don't know where the command is.  I've never had an Adobe user take classes from me that did not convert to Corel for their own creation.  After they learn it Corel is much simpler for most general print design tasks.

Dear all i think the x3 is best than x4 as it halts very much intermittently & the live preview is also not upto the mark as it is not refreshing at once and again & again i have to press refresh command and restricted to only few plugins and if you find there are lot more plugins in the net for adobe and i have been looking for update about TRANSPARENCY as so far utilised with the given pattrens and for colors one should you have wander around to select and export to TIFF in pixels wise is limited to 30,000 pixels as it is often entangle with that and breakup the work and send the work in pieces, these are allllllllllllllllll drives one out of sorts while engaging in busy work. ............oooooo its sooooooooo & but i love corel than other platforms as IT IS COREL regards RAM

FosterCoburn:

1.. The powerclip tool automatically centers items. This is ever so wrong,
unituitive, idiotic even.
The beta testers complain about this every time.

"Treat all objects as filled" for the Pick tool is also really stupid.
The interface is extremely hostile to deal with with this setting.

 

 

Yup, that's the very first thing I change on a fresh Corel install. I'm CONSTANTLY teaching people how to change this at work... however, I've actually work with people who like this option turned ON, which was a surprise - I guess it helps that you can select below objects by alt-clicking (a god-send!!!)... as opposed to app's like InDesign which have different selection tools, which is counter-productive in my opinion. 

 

Alfred:

I feel sorry for you if you are thinking of switching to CS3, PS takes longer to start up then it takes me to edit two images in PP.

If only it were really as simple as that. I don't think anyone should let PP off the hook of 'desparately needing development' on the basis that it starts fast.

If PP was a player in a football team it would have had the pooh kicked out of in in the change room for letting the team down. ;)

Yani

here PSCS3 starts in 7 seconds first time and 3.5 secs when cached... not too long IMO