This useless joke of a software crashed 6 no 8 times today 5 times friday 4 or 5 times on thursday I dont care to think about the beggining of last week. YEAH THIS SOFTWARE IS WONDERFUL Makes me wonder what the hell Im using it for.... Oh yeah I dont have a choice. Laughable huh? Yeah whats more.... EVERYONE blames my system HA! My system is solid. Strange how CORELDRAW WAS CRAP on 3 other machines and countless versions except 12. Version 7 and up to X4 Suck...... whats the X for ?10?  NO its a warning LOL!!!!

I dont require a reply. Just needed to express my frustration and let those who are not familiar with Corel know to think twice before Blowing thier hard earned $$$$$$

Suport? what suport hahahahah

Hey Andy,

Mine works fine!

Rob

<Andy Middleton> wrote in message news:22391@coreldraw.com...

 This useless joke of a software crashed 6 no 8 times today 5 times friday 4 or 5 times on thursday I dont care to think about the beggining of last week. YEAH THIS SOFTWARE IS WONDERFUL Makes me wonder what the hell Im using it for.... Oh yeah I dont have a choice. Laughable huh? Yeah whats more.... EVERYONE blames my system HA! My system is solid. Strange how CORELDRAW WAS CRAP on 3 other machines and countless versions except 12. Version 7 and up to X4 Suck...... whats the X for ?10?  NO its a warning LOL!!!!

I dont require a reply. Just needed to express my frustration and let those who are not familiar with Corel know to think twice before Blowing thier hard earned $$$$$$

Suport? what suport hahahahah

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Oh well Andy we all have days like that. They call it Windows for a reason. It's cause you look outside the windows and realise you could mow the lawns for the neighbourhood in the time it takes to work out a system problem.

Many good people in here came in to tell Corel their software suxed and those that hang about realise it wasn't so much Corel by the zillion flavors of Windows running of God knows what for hardware that is the issue.

Personally this week I'm a specialist in why Flash suxs! Draw's got nupping on Flash in the suxes department! Not even close!

 

Oh well Andy we all have days like that. They call it Windows for a reason. It's cause you look outside the windows and realise you could mow the lawns for the neighbourhood in the time it takes to work out a system problem.

Many good people in here came in to tell Corel their software suxed and those that hang about realise it wasn't so much Corel by the zillion flavors of Windows running of God knows what for hardware that is the issue.

Personally this week I'm a specialist in why Flash suxs! Draw's got nupping on Flash in the suxes department! Not even close!

 

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Currently running on instant coffee, milk no sugar

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I dont have that problem myself. Sorry to hear you have a bad day. Use the F8 key, re-install, or why not see if it is something else bugging in the background. A classic dll file?? Have you been installing and reinstalling different software on myour computer?. Hey there many reason to why yu might have a bad day with CDGS.

 Well lets see. Ive used Corel Draw since version 7. How many operating systems has windows come out with since then?. Well Ive had Corel Draw On Win 95 It sucked then. Crashed all the time. Everyday. On win 2000 it Crashed all the time every day too.. I was on nt for a short time. It crashed then too but had more problems with color and image flipping than crashing. Had Corel on XP with countless service packs (win) and have never had more problems. Its not like a person can go back to win 95 (if they wanted to.) So. How many computers would one have to buy to stay current. 3 or 4 Ive been through. So Then how can it be A system problem. You buy 5 pairs of shoes and they all hurt you in the same place. Think its the shoes or your foot? So thats cleared that up. I work for a bonified multimillion dollar per anum company. We cannot afforord to risk Pirated software. We got one of those SUCKER accounts where every time there's an upgrade its sent to us. So no its not Pirated. The problems I have, no-one else will 'fess up to. I cannot seriously believe that no one else has problems. The other staff that I work with Cuss out their installs of this "software" Just not as much as me. Perhaps Im just more vocal.

"Hey Andy, Mine works fine"! Good for you! You are very very very lucky.  Perhaps you dont have one or two day turn arounds with complex drawings. where your fingers move faster than ur dual processor 512 ram 2 gig machine can keep up!

This newest system was wiped clean. Used a 3 or 5 times wipe util to clean it. CorelDraw was first on after windows. So........ figure that one out.

Problems....

1)  Use the node pick tool to area select nodes with geometry behind. It will select it too then crash.

2) Crash and corel crashes again during the crash. HAH thats frigging great. LAUGHABLE

3) Dig select until you hit a bitmap. Crash

4) open a document with missing fonts. Bitstream kicks in, crashes Adobe Distiller then hangs permanantly.

5) Open a document. it crashes and offers a rescue then crashes when opening the rescue.

6) Power clip a screen shot. Will more than likely make the file un-openable again.

7) Close a file with a days work. Come in and open it the next day to an empty page.

8) spend a while arranging layers and naming them. Go into a powerclip and come back out AFTER TWENTY BLOODY HOURS and find your layers have mysteriously renamed themselves.

9) Layers Dissapear but select an object on that layer and the layer name still shows up in the property bar.

10) Layer Docker dissapears completely. I have a nice desktop to look at through the hole though. LAUGHABLE

11) Power clip into a group. Happens accidentally but is still possible. Ouch.

12) Open a document. Crash. Stran

Stefan Lindblad:

I dont have that problem myself. Sorry to hear you have a bad day. Use the F8 key, re-install, or why not see if it is something else bugging in the background. A classic dll file?? Have you been installing and reinstalling different software on myour computer?. Hey there many reason to why yu might have a bad day with CDGS.

ge though how I can open it later... Sometimes. Whats with that?

 

there is soooooo much more that I cannot recall right now.

ok the f8 thing. Hmmmmmm I dont believe I have EVER seen software that claims on itself that you have to reset the workspace because it gets unstable. HOW WEAK. Thats complete BS. (Corel) Try coding a solid GUI instead. Isnt that what we pay for??? Lets just stop patching patched patches with hot fix glue. stop releasing x4 x5 x6 x7 x8 and concentrate on a solid app. Charge a lil more and things will work.

I have done everything in my power to get this app to 'behave'. It wont. So now I am committed to slamming it since over the last ten or so years ive been steadily and increasingly slammed by it.

Everyone says OOOOOOH I dont have that problem or  We cant recreate that. Well then I guess Im a liar and this is all a figment of my imagination. I enjoy wasting more time after crashing, posting grievences. Trust me. I do give credit where credit is due. For instance..... thank god after 5 years of complaining Corel finally changed the double click bitmap annoyance. I think, too, that some but not all of the bitmap effects with transparency work properly now aswell. The node count on contours, I believe has been addressed also. Thats wonderful. It helps with the mem load.

Fix the powerclip, Fix the node tool, Fix the text. My god fix the text. Scrap bitstream or something I dont know what but It sux. Fix the layers pallette.

Well Im done.... sorry for all that but hey......

with deepest sorrow and regret,

 Andy

Andy,

I wish I had an answer for you. I frequently go days without CorelDRAW
crashing. This has been typical over the years on different versions,
different operating systems and different computers. There have been crashes
and there have certainly been (and are) bugs in CorelDRAW. In most cases I
can work around the worst of the bugs and typically the service packs have
resolved the worst of them.

Guesses?

Maybe your drawings have an element that most of us don't use.
Maybe there is some other software/driver that has been involved on your
machines that most of us don't have.

Rather than ranting, you might want to send one or more of your problematic
files to Tony so that the developers can investigate. Also make sure to
include steps required to trigger the problem and a detailed list of
components on your computer. The developers may find a problem in CorelDRAW
that can be corrected. They may also discover the problem on your system so
that it can be resolved.

If you truly want to solve the problem, work with Tony and I'm sure a
solution can be found.

Foster, thank you. Who is Tony? I dont believe Ive had the pleasure. Could you direct me that way? I would certainly appreciate it. As far as Ive been able to research, there has been no other recourse but to 'rant'. I viamently refuse to pay for tech support.

Thanks,

 Andy

 I go for weeks without a crash.  Of course, I almost exclusively use DRAW for text-based layouts.

Hey Andy,

[Hey Andy, Mine works fine"! Good for you! You are very very very lucky.  Perhaps you don't have one or two day turn arounds with complex drawings. where your fingers move faster than ur dual processor 512 ram 2 gig machine can keep up!]

Sorry, I really didn't want to seem unsympathetic.  I've used Corel since Version 3 and had every windows OS since there was a "Windows".  Just loaded sp3 for my XP (working fine so far...whew).  I'm still being cautious about Vista.

Of course all these have been loaded across more computers than I can remember (must be over ten, at least).

The kind of work I do is VERY complex with hundreds of objects on up to twenty or more layers.  example: http://coreldraw.com/photos/willstu/picture18253.aspx

My turn around times are much like yours.  Customers never say "do it when you can"... it's ALWAYs "can you have it by the end of the week?"

The only time I've had a big problem with program crashes is when I first loaded V12 before I added the service pack.  I have had one crash with 14, but I had maybe seven other "memory hog" programs running at the same time.  It's never happened again, so I figure I had just used up all the memory I had available.

I use other graphics programs as well and all of them crash at one point or another.  Illustrator seems especially glitchy (maybe because I use a PC instead of a Mac... although I do hear my Machead friends complaining, too).

What sort of work do you do on your Corel?  Maybe your needs are more demanding than the rest of us.  I agree that if you have used many versions on many machines, there must be something strange going on.

Believe me, if I had the problems you describe, I would be looking for answers as well.

Rob

 

Rob. Im affraid I cant post any of my work images as they are all client / company confidential. I do interior Design and merchandising displays for casinos across the nation and some overseas. Casinos are weird about public knowledge of the interior of their establishments. I had to sign a non disclosure In order to work here.

I looked at your work and I think it is quite impressive. The difference that I can see between your work and mine is... yours seems to be exlusivley vector art. Now it stands to reason that a vector program would handle vector art well, however, on my end it is absolutley necessary to include bitmap images aswell. The client will typically ask us to super impose the before and after images of an existing photographed area. I am constantly trying to fake natural finishes and extremley organic elements such as stone wood, fabric and detailed finishes like swirled metals perforated metals and lighting. I have to use many lenses; additive subtractive, multiply, red, green, blue etc. on top of that, creating soft edged light effects and shadows with their amorphous shapes do not lend themselves well to blending effects etc. Also my work is done primarily in RGB color space as many (not all) of the final results of my work will end up being back illuminated (transient light vs reflective) Realism is the goal. Unfortunatley CorelDraw seems to be the only scalable vector graphics app that offers a true to life scale option. Our drawings are created at 1:48 1/4" scale. duplicated and scaled up again at 1:12 or 1:8 or so. Once they're approved they go upto 1:1. Max 46" tall and 96" wide. There are some real long wait times there. The size is not the problem though. Thats just processing minuites. Tryi introducing a plethora of bitmaps into your drawings with transparencies and effects and such. See if the devil comes to visit you then.. If Corel simply stated that they their app did not support bitmaps and the like then I would not be surprised by what I go through but they claim Draw does, hence the bitmap effects roll out and so on. I will do as much bmp editing in Photoshop as I can but there comes a point when I have to switch to vector. Our drawings / presentations, once sold go over to our engineering dept. They require vector images in order to translate to CAD. I have over the past few years moved into 3ds max and Mental Ray to do my work but the turn around time is much longer and it is unfair to my asscociates that do not understand the program. If they need to revise one of my drawings, they have to start from scratch, if I'm not around. Yes they do the same work as me but as a Senior Designer I am expected to step up the game and do some "mind blowing work" well thats what they tell me anyway. Many of my woes, though, seem to be with Text and Bitsream Nav. Ugh! We have Literally tens of thousands of Fonts we need to reference (trust me they're not local. Ive been down that path and regretted it.) So with Bitsream Loaded and ready to go, one would think that at most you would wait a couple of seconds to load a font or two maybe three or four maximum. Five minuites and up just doesnt cut the mustard Y'know. Sometimes a doc wont open at all one day and will open slowly another. That I do not understand. Anyway, there you go. agian I appologise for not posting work but as a professional Im sure you understand. Thanks again, Rob, for your time and input.

Regards,

 Andy

Tony Severenuk is the man in charge of Draw. You can e-mail him using
first.last@corel.com . I'd suggest a short e-mail first so you can work out
the best way to send files.

In a later message you mentioned thousands of fonts loaded and that they are
all necessary. I've heard people say they are necessary many times. I've yet
to see a situation where it truly was necessary. Sounds like you've had
problems with BFN, but if it is used properly then you can manage the
thousands of fonts while only have 200 or so loaded at any given time.

 Foster. All the fonts I have loaded locally are what come standard with windows. I use BFN as it is intended. A dynamic link to an off machine library. That is when the problems with fonts arise. If I dont have the font locally I am in a world of hurt. Bitstream is what causes many crashes and hang ups. As I mentioned before, I have had a ton of fonts on an old system, locally. Yes it was a bear to launch apps that loaded fonts on start up. I learned that lesson a long time ago but thanx anyway.

Thankyou also for the contact info I will most certainly use it.

Regards,

 Andy

Hi Andy!

I understand your "non-disclosure" situation well.  I occasionally do work for Honda and some of the other car manufacturers as well (I know... a long way from medical illustration) and I can't show those to anyone either (non-disclosure agreements).  A pain, really, because it's some of my best work and no one ever gets to view it.

Yep, your right.  I avoid bitmaps like the plague!  I even create vector textures with little dots and such to keep from using the textures feature in Corel.

Maybe that's part of your crashing problem.  I'm guessing that your image files (with all the bitmaps, etc.) are quite large.  What's the file size of your typical image? This whole thing might be a memory related issue.

Rob